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Darius Van Arman's avatar

Thank you so much, Shain, for this. Love that you are bringing rigour to the idea that Martin Mills and I thought was worth exploring (as a better approach/alternative to the Deezer Universal artist-centric model):

“An addition to what is proposed might be for DSP’s to charge a small flat amount for every track delivered, same to everyone, with that money going to the pot to recognize that there are costs to uploading and storing tracks that do not create value for the service.” (original post: https://musically.com/2023/09/27/deezers-artist-centric-model-should-be-universal-with-a-small-u-guest-column/)

I still think a very simple dollar per track per year (or something like that) is not too great a barrier to entry for anyone, but adds a little bit of necessary friction to dissuade slop. I also think the best approach is that this is imposed/collected service-side and returned to the revenue share pool.

I respect the desire to create a new resource for other advocacy work, but I worry that too much value will be lost in the administrative costs (and politics and, potentially, graft) associated with such a approach.

Boris Kraft's avatar

Regarding the idea to charge for uploads to streaming platforms, my thoughts are as follows:

Tiered won't work as those doing the AI game automate everything, including the upload accounts. DSP side won't make a difference to the mass-AI slop uploaders either, as they don't have to pay. Which leaves only the options that everybody pays the same amount to upload.

Since independent artists typically only upload a track every few weeks, and big labels make a lot of money, I am all for paying a "significant" amount for uploads - more like 1$ than 5cents. While it sucks to spend even more money for those struggling with ROI on their music (like myself), 1USD per upload is pretty much irrelevant if you only upload a track every couple of weeks.

If you are successful because you upload a track a day (however you do that) as an independent, thats 30 bucks a months, and given that this would probably be a full-time job by then, should not make a difference for those people either (they will work that way because it is financially viable).

Finally for the big labels – they don't really upload a lot of tracks per artist, but do make a lot of money, presumably much more than all of us small fry.

What to do with the money? I think it would be best to finance an organisation that sues the AI companies that make money with our creations. Like Suno et al. And then ensure they pay a cut, not a lump sum. With the money from that, pay it back to all those that uploaded tracks in the first place, pro rata.

This means

1) hopefully 1 USD is enough to make AI slop spamming no longer viable (otherwise we can only increase the amount until it is)

2) we get rid of AI slop music

3) we can sue those that exploit our IP

4) we get money back, possibly more than the 1$ per track we paid

5) the world is a better place

- Boris

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